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"Building strong brands is the key to success, in our opinion, not better products or better people."
Wow! I couldn't agree with her . . . less. It brings to mind the movie Groundhog Day. Read her entire post, and then post a comment and tell me why Ries & Ries - two very bright people - are still stuck in the era of brainwashing as marketing strategy. May the answer lie in my previous post?
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Maybe "Your people are your brand" was already taken?
Posted by: olivier blanchard | January 27, 2006 at 11:40 AM
cheers, tom.
i was just thinking if you never get bored fighting for a clear understanding of marketing communications ... but of course not, it is what you love, it is your mission, making people see... and what an honourable cause it is too..
and if reality of marketing preaching still can look like this ries quote - i can clearly see what keeps you going.
go tom, go!
it is an honourable fight (and the enemy is already pretty weak in the knees... brilliant quote btw.)
no doubt the answer will lie in your next post - just like in all your previous ones.
go tom, go!
Posted by: jens | January 27, 2006 at 11:50 AM
Good stuff Tom...I read her post last night and thought the same thing as you.
Are you kidding me Laura???
What planet are you from???
I'll admit.. I looked forward to reading her posts as most of the time they are meaningful and well-thought out. You can tell she is definately an intelligent person. At least until I read her last post.
How can you brand a bad/mediocre product or service anyway? I guess she also believes advertising is the other key to success. Here's an idea...let's sell shit to people and market it as the "browniest shit around." It has to be a hit right? After all, we'll own the position in customer's heads of the "browniest" shit around. Now all we have to do is advertise the traditional way and we'll be set.
Gimme a break....
No wonder the conference was held in India. No American in their right mind with half of a brain would buy that marketing hogwash.
Someone needs to tell her Daddy's concepts are just a little outdated for today.
Posted by: Steve Liberati | January 27, 2006 at 03:21 PM
Perhaps she refers to the success of the marketer, not to the company´s. Great points, Tom.
Posted by: Felix Gerena | January 28, 2006 at 06:55 AM
I think someone should call GM and tell them the solution to all their problems is a strong brand, forget about building cars that can leave the lot without falling apart or designing models that people want to drive.
All I can say is she was writing the post 30,000 feet, the air is thinner up there.
Posted by: Adriano | January 28, 2006 at 08:48 AM
It seems to me that the largest part of the industry is still stuck in the wails of "this is what we have always done and it ain’t broke!" In reading the article what I see is someone defending against a change that threatens their status quo. The arguments are mute and disorganized as in most cases. I find they are reflective of an industry that is confused and is feeling the ineffectiveness of brainwashing and product centered policies.
Customers are tired of being feed with perceptions that are strained, ambiguous, and in a lot of cases misleading lies filled with broken promises. Not all branding went this direction, but a reality check would show that more than the industry is willing to admit to really be outright misrepresented perceptions of product and or businesses.
Being a customer experience consultant I see and deal with this every day and much of the damage from broken promises (brand perceptions) proffered by old school branding may never be repaired.
Posted by: Tim Whelan | January 30, 2006 at 12:00 AM
Tim, very nicely put.
Posted by: Steve Liberati | January 30, 2006 at 12:13 PM
Tim, very nicely put.
Posted by: Steve Liberati | January 30, 2006 at 12:14 PM
Is Google a "better" search engine? Is Red Bull a "better" energy drink? Is Microsoft a "better" operating system? Or did these companies build better brands? Building a brand means standing for something in the mind of the consumer. What gets you into the mind? Usually it is by being first in a new cateogy? Being first gets you PR, word of mouth and credibility. It earns your brand the top spot in the mind of the consumer. Having a great company, with great people and great products is great. But I don't think you will succeed long term unless you also get the marketing right. Of course, GM needs to build better cars, but they need to first work out the marketing issues. Saturn should work on being a simple, entry level car. Not a bigger, more expensive car or SVU. Would just a "better" Pontiac solve the problem? Or it the brand also at fault? GM needs to decide what each brand stands for and then fix the engineering problems.
Posted by: Laura Ries | February 10, 2006 at 08:49 PM
Why do business execs in India "respect and admire" Laura and Al while US execs won't invite them in? Perhaps the same reasons why has-been US basketball players make good money in Europe, "The A Team" is huge in Portugal and David Hasselhoff is the Clay Aikens of Germany. Because we've been there and done that and....moved on. Moved forward. Progressed. We've realized that, while successful branding communicates simply, it is not simple. While the processes may be straightforward, the answers are usually not. And it certainly does not all boil down to PR.
Which leads to the question: If you are a supposed master of marketing/branding and you can't effectively sell yourself in the US, is it possible that the problem is....you guessed it....the product?
Posted by: Bob Conti | February 20, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Tom, Laura
I can't help but feel that the branding tail is in danger of wagging the business dog here.
Sure, brands are important, that goes with saying. But the nature of brands is changing; from an inside-out artefact created by marketing men & women, to something more real created with customers in mind, or increasingly, co-created with customers.
The nub of the matter is this evolving power-balance between the inside-out brand and outside-in customers.
As little as 5 years ago, I would have argued that the brand was generally perceived as being more important than customers by most businesses. Today, I no longer believe this to be the case. I think they probably have more or less parity in the minds of most businesses, particularly service businesses. And who isn't in the service business today?
This is largely due to the reduced effectiveness of many brands to deliver the goods(or marketing communications to be more precise) and to the increasing power of customers to have their say and to insist that they are heard. Sadly, the majority of brands fail to deliver their expensively communicated promises. Research by the English customer experience consultancy Beyond Philosophy shows that over 80% of customers do not expect brands to deliver their promises. And over 80% are still dissappointed!
At the end of the day, real brands exist only in the mind of the customer. You only have to look at the problems of GM & Ford versus Toyota, to see what happens when you leave the customer behind. We would do well to remember this when planning our next branding campaign.
Graham Hill
Independent Marketing Consultant
Posted by: Graham Hill | February 22, 2006 at 04:41 AM
Wow you guys dissing Laura are really off the mark. It makes you wonder if you've ever really sold anything in the real world 'belly to belly' with a prospect. Until you go back and remember that experience you can't understand what is going through the prospect's mind at the moment of purchase. Even if you are reaching a prospect over a media channel the same thing is happening...and it's this- FEAR AND DOUBT. People are trying to avoid risk. But built into the idea of TRADE is that you are going to be making a decision about a topic you don't really understand in an expert way or at a tactical level- that is why you are buying something/making a trade. So how do you fight fear inside the mind of the prospect? With trust and clarity. That's how. By narrowing focus you create clarity inside the mind of the prospect. By entering a market with PR type communications you build trust and cred. Laura and Al 'get' SELLING better than anybody I know. I could give you countless vivid examples of artists, business people, friends, and family that are tremendously skilled and have super high quality products and services...but no customers! It's a tale as old as time. Did a Van Goh painting change physically between when nobody would buy any and Van Goh died broke...to today when they sell for 100mill? Nothing changed in the atoms of the painting guys. What changed was perceptions inside the minds of the public. That is all that changed.
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